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PostPosted: April 21st, 2010, 6:55 am 
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Requests:
1. Some of the following information (some comes from a trip in 1988) may be outdated; please post updates in this thread and I'll revise this post accordingly.
2. Please post (in this thread) what your party did; I’ll edit this post accordingly.
3. Please inform me (by posting in this thread) of errors, omissions, desirable clarifications and whatever else will improve the service to the paddling community.

Loose ends:
1. Verify CN, CP and ACR stops.
2. Still two trains between Moosonee and Cochrane?
3. Name and status of road to Missinaibi Lake.
4. Long ago, I read that the provincial government had turned the park on Missinaibi Lake to a private operator; has it reverted to provincial status?
5. Is the store in Missanabie still functioning?
6. Name of store in Mattice. Campground in Mattice?
7. Logistics for Marilyn’s trip from Michipicoten River.
8. Others I don’t know about.


General Information

VIA Rail, CN line, Toronto - Vancouver
http://www.viarail.ca/en
Schedule:
http://www.viarail.ca/en/trains/rockies ... /schedules
Major stops in the area: Foleyet and Hornepayne.
Stops of interest to Missinaibi paddlers:
Oba (junction with the Algoma Central line) and Peterbell (request stop).
Comments:
1. Some stops, like Peterbell, are by request only.
2. There is no settlement at Peterbell, only a private house (Camp Costalotsa, sp?).
3. For how to handle the Peterbell stop, see the threads
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=35261
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=35613
See also the entry Upper Missinaibi, camping at Peterbell below, under Stories.
NB: Peterbell is a request stop and so the national VIA people don't know that it exists. The comment by bushpig is worth quoting in its entirety: I have had trouble making bookings through VIAs 800#. Now I always call Capreol and book through the office there. By doing this you are talking to local people who actually know the train route instead of someone in Mtl. who will tell you there is no such place as Peterbell.
The same advice would seem to apply to other stops on both the CN and CP lines.
4. If coming from the east (Foleyet), pay as far as Oba.
5. If coming from the west (Oba and points west), you may have to pay as far as Foleyet; check with the local VIA office (Capreol?).
6. Oba can be accessed also from the Algoma Central line, The connection was off by a day when I looked in 1988 and I read that this is still the case; check the schedule.

VIA Rail, CP line, Sudbury - White River
http://www.viarail.ca/en
Schedule:
http://www.viarail.ca/sites/all/files/m ... eRiver.pdf
Major stops in the area: Chapleau and White River.
Stops of interest to Missinaibi paddlers:
Bolkow (Shumka?), Missanabie and Franz (junction with the Algoma Central line).
Comment:
Some stops are by request only. Better call the local office (probably Sudbury in this case); otherwise you may well be told that there is no such stop.

Algoma Central Railway, Hearst - Sault Ste Marie
http://www.agawacanyontourtrain.com/con ... index.html
Summer schedule:
http://www.agawacanyontourtrain.com/con ... table.html
Stops of interest to Missinaibi paddlers:
Oba (junction with the CN line), Wabatong (request only?), Franz (junction with the CP line) and Hawk Junction (scheduled).

Ontario Northland Railway, Cochrane - Moosonee
http://www.ontarionorthland.ca/en/railp ... press.html
Schedule and fares (not user-friendly):
http://www.ontarionorthland.ca/en/railp ... fares.html
Comments:
1. Moose River Crossing is the only other stop relevant for the Missinaibi.
2. I remember that there are two trains, only one of which will carry canoes.

Ontario Northland Bus
http://www.ontarionorthland.ca/en/motor ... ation.html
Schedule and fares (not user-friendly):
http://www.ontarionorthland.ca/en/motor ... fares.html
The bus runs along Hwy 11. There is no service west of Hearst.
Stops of interest to Missinaibi paddlers: Hearst, Mattice and Cochrane.

Ontario road map
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/travel ... /Map14.pdf
Comment: Useful for access/egress points.

Toporama
http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/topo/map
Comment: Useful for access/egress points.

Missinaibi Provincial Park
http://www.ontarioparks.com/English/miss.html
The following map of the park shows Missinaibi Lake and Little Missinaibi Lake only:
http://www.ontarioparks.com/english/miss-maps.html
Campsites (permits required):
36 sites on Barclay Bay (Missinaibi Lake) plus 103 interior sites.
From the Wikipedia entry:
The entire length of the Missinaibi River from Missinaibi Lake to the Moose River is protected and part of the Missinaibi Provincial Park. The park also includes Missinaibi Lake, Brunswick River, Brunswick Lake, Little Missinaibi River, and Little Missinaibi Lake.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missinaibi_River


Upper Missinaibi access/egress points
1. Michipicoten River, on Hwy 17. Comment: It's a tough slog up the Michipicoten River (Source: Marilyn Sprissler).
2. Hawk Junction by Algoma Central or by road (Rte 547, off Rte 101). After passing through Hawk Creek?, Hawk River?, Manitowik Lake and Little Stony Portage, this route joins the main route at Dog Lake.
Comment: This one, also upstream on the Michipicoten River, doesn't look as tough as the lower part.
3. Wabatong (on Wabatongushi Lake) by Algoma Central. The route passes through Wabatongushi Lake and Loch Lomond on the Lochalsh River, then joins the main route at Lochalsh Bay of Dog Lake (at Gutelius on the CP line). At that time (1988), the portages were used by fisherfolk from W Lake; they were easy to find and in good condition.
4. Undocumented access point: A private road (with public access) runs east from Dubreuilville and crosses Wabatongushi Lake at The Narrows. At least one lodge on Wabatonguishi Lake (I believe that it is Errington's) welcomes paddlers; I don't know though about parking.
5. Bolkow (Shumka?) by VIA Rail (CP line). Here's the route as documented at CCR (see Appendix 1): Shumka, portage to Bolkow Lake, Ribes Lake, Acolyte Lake, Abbey Lake, Elbow Lake, Trump Lake, Little Missinaibi River, Little Missinaibi Lake, Whitefish Falls, Missinaibi Lake.
6. Missanabie (on Dog Lake) by VIA Rail (CP line, Chapleau - White River) or by road (Rte 651, off Rte 101).
7. Unless one is coming from the west, I see no reason to start from either Gutelius or Lochalsh (both also on the CP line), instead of Missanabie.
8. Missinaibi Lake by road. Comment: very long shuttle.
9. Peterbell by VIA Rail (CN line, request stop), from Oba or Foleyet. At present, the dropoff from Foleyet is in the middle of the night; at least one party came in from Oba in order to arrive in daylight.
10. Mattice, on Hwy 11.

Lower Missinaibi access/egress points
1. Mattice by road (Hwy 11).
2. Moose River Crossing by rail (Ontario Northland); some parties exit here by plan, others because of low water.
3. Moosonee by rail (Ontario Northland).

Canadian Heritage Rivers System
http://www.chrs.ca/Rivers/Missinaibi/Missinaibi-F_e.htm
Some of the Missinaibi information appears to be very old.


Forum discussions of logistics
Peterbell stop
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=35261
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=35613


Stories

Upper Missinaibi, camping at Peterbell
DougB:
Take the train from Hearst.... I took the train from Foleyet and got dropped off in the middle of the night.... steep track banks, pitch black, camping in the mud under the bridge..... yes, starting the trip in the light would have been better!
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=35261
cheryl:
The best sites for camping when you get off the train are about 100m west from the bridge on the south side. There is a clear trail back to a huge flat field.
A traveller this year should take a way-point of it so that paddlers can find it in the dark using their GPS.

viewtopic.php?f=107&t=35261
Allan Jacobs:
We started at Wabatong. To switch a paddler, we camped at Peterbell, using the field at the southwest, just as mentioned by cheryl.

Upper Missinaibi story #1
Source: Allan Jacobs; 4 cars and canoes, 8 paddlers, 1988.
Drove to Hearst; dropped off boats and gear; drove back to Mattice in two cars; left one car with the people at the store; returned to Hearst in the other car; overnighted at the motel.
In the morning, took the Algoma Central to Wabatong. Wabatongushi Lake, Loch Lomond, Dog Lake, ... , Peterbell, Mattice.
Used the car parked in Mattice to get drivers back to Hearst for the other three cars; packed up; returned to Hearst with all people and gear; overnighted at the motel.

Upper Missinaibi story #2
Source: Leo Hummel (Simonbee) and Paul Knoerr (pknoerr); 8 paddlers in 4 tandems, 2008.
"Drive to Hawk Junction, and drop all gear and most of crew. We camped in grass next to train station. Big Bear Tavern was available for food. Drivers and 3 cars drive to Mattice, and drop all but one car which returns to Hearst for a night in Motel. Drivers board ACR southbound. Train travels every other day from Hearst to SSM. Drivers rejoined crew in Hawk Junction. We ported gear and canoes across tracks and into Hawk Creek."

Upper Missinaibi story #3
Source: Marilyn Sprissler (private communication).
Start from Michipicoten River on Hwy 17 and paddle upstream; had to exit at Moose River Crossing because of low water.
Other details not known.

Upper Missinaibi story #4
Source: hooligan.
"We took Algoma Central south from Hearst to Oba, found someplace to sleep and then caught Via east to the Peterbell bridge and the river.
The trip ended in Mattice. All it took to get back to Hearst (about a 20 minute drive) was walking in to the local restaurant and waving a twenty around, saying “Hearst; Hearst; anyone, anyone”!
Besides not having to do a shuttle, drop off time is early morning when going east on Via, much better than near midnight when going west."
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=35261

Upper Missinaibi story #5
Source: Darl-h.
"I organized a group that drove to Foleyet and then took the train to Peterbell, then met our cars at Mattice (a car shuttle took place from Foleyet to Mattice)."
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=35261

Lower Missinaibi story #1
Source: Allan Jacobs; 3 cars and canoes, 6 paddlers, 1991.
Drive all cars to Mattice and park them at the store; paddle to Moosonee; stay at one of the hotels there. Train to Cochrane; three drivers return by bus to Mattice, pick up the cars and return to Cochrane for the other paddlers, the boats and gear.
Comment: Make sure that the cars have plenty of gas when parked at Mattice; stations on #11 are few and far between, especially at night.

More stories
CCR's Ontario Route Information
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=31543
CCR's Routes section
http://www.myccr.com/canoedb/region_2.p ... egionid=14


Appendix 1: Shumka route to Missinaibi Lake
Shumka to Missanabie route (number 39) in Canoe Routes of Ontario, McClelland and Stewart, Toronto (1991).
Wilson, Hap. Missinaibi – Journey to the Northern Sky, Boston Mills Press, Erin (2004).
CCR Routes, Shumka to Missanabie, Route 1
http://www.myccr.com/canoedb/routeDetai ... outeid=160
CCR Routes, Shumka to Missanabie, Route 2
http://www.myccr.com/canoedb/routeDetai ... outeid=162
Shumka threads in CCR's Ontario Forum
Topic: shumka to missinaibi
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=6034&hilit=shumka
Topic: Little Missinaibi Lake
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=6560&hilit=shumka
Topic: Missinaibi lake / river - alternate access points
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=13187&hilit=shumka
Topic: Missinaibi Lake Narrows Eagle's Nest
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=22009&hilit=shumka
Topic: Route suggestions please
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=24023&hilit=shumka
Topic: Put in point via railway?
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=26324&hilit=shumka
Topic: Shumka to Missinaibi
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=30670&hilit=shumka
Topic: question shumka lake - missinaibi route
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=33292&hilit=shumka

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PostPosted: April 21st, 2010, 7:29 am 
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Allan, is Story #2 the story I submitted? If so:

Source: Leo Hummel (Simonbee) and Paul Knoerr (pknoerr)
Drive to Hawk Junction, and drop all gear and most of crew. We camped in grass next to train station. Big Bear Tavern was available for food. Drivers and 3 cars drive to Mattice, and drop all but one car which returns to Hearst for a nigth in Motel. Drivers board ACR southbound. Train travels every other day from Hearst to SSM. Drivers rejoined crew in Hawk Junction. We ported gear and canoes across tracks and into Hawk Creek.

Is that sufficient? Maybe you could provide a link to the trip reports?

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Thanks, Paul!
I'll adjust the entry accordingly.

Do you have a link to that post of yours (and mine) in the Forum?

I never got around to writing up a report of either of my Missinaibi trips and so can't post a link.

Did you write up a report of your trip? If so, I'd be pleased to link to it.

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PostPosted: April 21st, 2010, 8:10 am 
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Hmmm, I tried to do a search for it... and I'm not sure where it is. We communicated via email about it back maybe last summer, and I sent you copies of both my Steel River TR and the Upper Missinaibi TR via email as I thought you might add it to the Routes Section. I can resend it if you want... or I can copy it into an appropriate thread too, or I can post it to the Routes Section. I'll let you decide.

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I must have lost the Upper Miss report.
Please post it in Routes or resend it to me and I'll look after it.

I'll search for that Forum thread and post a link to it if I find it.

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OK, I tried to add it to the Routes Section. Unfortunately, it appears to have been reformatted removing paragraphs, and the last few days of the trip don't appear either. Maybe a size limit was exceeded.

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pknoerr wrote:
OK, I tried to add it to the Routes Section. Unfortunately, it appears to have been reformatted removing paragraphs, and the last few days of the trip don't appear either. Maybe a size limit was exceeded.

PK

It got added in as an "email comment" to the trip report already posted....

http://www.myccr.com/canoedb/routeDetai ... outeid=545

Easiest way to deal with this right now....PK should start a new thread in the Ontario Trip Reports forum, and drop the whole thing in that. It can then be edited, added to, etc.




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PostPosted: April 23rd, 2010, 8:45 am 
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I'm finished the first stage of editing.
I'll continue editing the first post as new information comes in.

More generally, this is the only way I can think of to assemble logistics information.
As someone remarked in the other thread, our software doesn't allow wikis.
Anyone have a better idea?
If not, someone will have to step up and start a thread.

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Is it appropriate to add in somewhere that if you get off at Peterbell in the middle of the night, you do not have to camp beside the track?

go W. on the S. side of the tracks about 100m from the bridge, and there is a clear path through down off the grade, through a few trees into a flat field that you can camp in.

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Thanks Cheryl:
I posted something about camping at Peterbell later in the write-up but it deserves repeating earlier.

EDIT:
I was going to get day and time information from the VIA site and post it.
But the clever people who designed the site have chosen not to post a schedule (at least one easy to find).
They make you enter a day. I have more important things to do with my life than jump through the hoops they have set up for us.

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