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PostPosted: June 25th, 2007, 7:58 am 
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Has anyone read this book by Laurence Gonzales?
It gives one a whole new perspective on how this mind/body handles a crisis.

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This an interesting read, makes one think about how we react to events that are unexpected.


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kingfisher wrote:
Has anyone read this book by Laurence Gonzales?
It gives one a whole new perspective on how this mind/body handles a crisis.

Hello,
I've not read the book but the mind/body and emotion/cognition connection are an interest of mine. The will to live agaisnt the odds or even giving in and dieing of a broken heart are both have Psycho Neuro Immunological (PNI is psychoneuroimmunology) componants and are a part of a highly researched, (and interesting) phenomena.

Thing is, some folks are born with a will to thrive and surive yet, we are also what we think and can actually cognitively "tell" ourselves that we "will" survive. Yet, this takes practice, no, not mantra's...just training our brain, (which is connected to our body and involved in an intricate balance.) Right? We cannot have a body without a brain and cannot have a brain without a body.

Okay, I'll stop now. :)
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Knowledge, experience and the will is the main thing but it may not make the grade totally. Knowledge is good, the experience in the wilderness is good. The will to live is good but with all this you maynot survive. With all of these you still need ruthlessness and with them all you may not survive. Eventhough there is a phrase that the meek will inhearent the earth. I believe only the smart ,experienced and the strong will survive.

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Well Kingfisher- this sounds like a book I would want to read. I find the topic fascinating. I like watching those shows where they show ordinary people who faced horrific conditions and lived to tell about it.

I don't know if I agree Bill that you have to be strong - I think the mind is the most powerful survival tool but it would be neat to read more about it. Maybe my perceptions are totally off.

I think your term ruthlessness is a good measure - I might have called it risk taking vs risk adverse. Anyway, don't shoot me - but Deliverance comes to mind.

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I find the topic fascinating. .

What I found interesting was that our initial reaction to a life or death situation is emotional and comes from somewhere deep in our primitive past. And that flight or fight thing can sometimes lead us to a Wile E. Coyote ending.
It seems that an emotional reaction to our surroundings and the desire for excitement can put us in a 'what the hell have I done" kind of place.
To deal with this the Stoic philosophy comes to mind...try to keep your cool.

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Below is a review of the book. I wonder, for those who read the book, is it an accurate description?

The reviewer writes that the book argues "mental attitudes crucial to survival in the wild are equally important in dealing with financial crisis, a divorce, or presumably peak oil and the collapse of civilization" .... and that "we don't live in reality. We live in the mental construct of reality which we have assembled in our brains..."

Sounds really interesting. Think I'll order in on-line.

http://farmerscrub.blogspot.com/2006/12 ... rence.html

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Tess wrote:
The reviewer writes that the book argues "mental attitudes crucial to survival in the wild are equally important in dealing with financial crisis, a divorce, or presumably peak oil and the collapse of civilization" .... and that "we don't live in reality. We live in the mental construct of reality which we have assembled in our brains..."

The first statement is probably true and gives the book a wider audience 8)
The personal realty concept has always intrigued me. And explains why we do some unbelievably stupid things, like auditioning for American Idol when we sing like Boris Karloff.

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kingfisher wrote:
What I found interesting was that our initial reaction to a life or death situation is emotional and comes from somewhere deep in our primitive past.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vPDqK7FU2VU


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