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PostPosted: October 21st, 2008, 8:10 pm 
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hi all

looking for some info.

I would like to do more and more poling around in canoes.

WHAT IS THE BEST OR GOOD FOR DOING SOME POLING AROUND.

i am sher somecanoes are good for it but some is better i am sher off this.

now it get worst. :lol: .

i want to do some freeastyle to.

so want a canoe to be great in poling and ggod for doing a bit off freestyle.

thanks.

marco 8)


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PostPosted: October 21st, 2008, 10:13 pm 
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Poling = 16' Prospector....at least it's got my vote

I'll let the freestyle experts weigh in on that aspect.

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PostPosted: October 22nd, 2008, 12:48 pm 
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Most of the great poling canoes are quite long and have fairly flat bottoms. This is due to the nature of the waters that are usually poled - shallow stretches where a paddle can find little purchase for forward progress. A shallow draft is best so that the canoe can pass over rocks in the riffles.

The classic poling canoe is the Maine Guide canoe, usually 18 1/2' and of wood and canvas construction. It usually has several coats of shellac painted on the bottom to take the scratches from rocks while sparing the canvas. Not your typical freestyler IMHO.

This has been posted before, but check out this guy's skill at poling. He is using an OT Penobscot 17.

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PostPosted: October 22nd, 2008, 1:03 pm 
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...or check out this video and article on the subject.

http://www.solotripping.com/skills.php?id=21

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PostPosted: October 22nd, 2008, 1:15 pm 
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:clap:

Now that's what it's all about!

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PostPosted: October 23rd, 2008, 9:25 am 
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I learned somewhere (might have been this place) that poling origins from the NewEngland-states and canoes from that area - especially those V-bottomed MadRiver canoes are quite well adapted to poling.
Owning a MadRiver Independence solo-canoe I use to practice poling here in Germany where I am declared insane regularily. We do still have the strict rule that standing up in a tippy canoe is prohibited...

Well, what about the shallow-V canoes - are they really good for poling? I am sure that the solo-canoe is not the best choice but as joco is seeking after a canoe for poling and freestyle this might be the answer.

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PostPosted: October 25th, 2008, 11:45 am 
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Poling is a lot older than shallow V bottoms and MR canoe. A lot older.

Shallow V boats are OK for poling, but I prefer a shallow arch, a fairly flattened shallow arch.


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PostPosted: October 25th, 2008, 1:42 pm 
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TRUE

boat have been poling for 1000,s off years in egupt and by are indians.

joco.


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PostPosted: October 25th, 2008, 3:04 pm 
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I believe it started in Poland.

How many Poles does it take to service a fishtrap? 8)


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You can pole and do Canadian Style in tandem canoes. FreeStyle is for dedicated solo canoes because it requires kneeling in the center of the boat and doing cross strokes. Unless you have 60 inch arms you cant do that in a tandem.

Usually shallow arch canoes are best for poling...at some point you want to jump and spin and thats not easy in a round bottomed canoe.

Any canoe ought to work..though. I just watched john boats being poled and they are about three feet wide, twenty feet long and flat bottomed. They are used for fishing and river and rapid running in the US South.


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Wenonah Prospector is my boat of choice for poling. I have removed the seats and yoke, but have fitted two thwarts to compensate.

I started with a 16' but have just switched to the 15' which is a bit wider.

The Wenonahs have quite a bit of rocker which is helpful in white water as you don't have to trim so serverely.

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PostPosted: October 27th, 2008, 6:36 pm 
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littleredcanoe wrote:
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Any canoe ought to work..though....

I'd like to follow through on that thought - because I had a situation where poling was miserable.

In my 16ft Penobscot, with a partner and with a week's worth of gear, I tried to pole from the stern and let him help out with the paddle from the bow. It did not work, I just could not control the boat. The reason was that the boat was lying too flat so the current would catch the bow - and even with attempts to shift the weight as much back as possible I could not make the turns and corrections necessary to work upstream on the Spanish. I wonder whether anyone else had similar experience, maybe in a Coleman with keel?

My choice would be a boat that has a shallow arch and good rocker, and with two people, you want a high-volume boat to ensure you can bring the bow up. Just like TB observes: in white water, you want a responsive boat.

In flat water, it doesn't matter, you probably could pole a log - and that's probably how humans started boating.... :wink:

PS: poling the Penobscot solo is a delight, by the way...


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True Erhard..what you had was a tandem situation where each person has to control their own end of the canoe..the weight distribution effectively pins the ends.

Soloing and poling from the middle is a completely different weight distribution as the ends are relatively light..

I still maintain it is more paddler distribution than the boat.

As an example solo whitewater and tandem whitewater are completely different..its not possible for a stern paddler in a tandem boat to have good control alone if the bow paddler cannot function as well. (Been there tried that..my bow paddler turned out to be an ex good paddler who had either had a stroke or Alzheimers in the years since I had last paddled with him)


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That's why I want to hear whether anyone has experience poling the hog-backed Coleman with keel - maybe it is a bitch to handle, even by yourself....


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Anything hogged is a witch to paddle..Want my Grumman that has had some "body sculpting" :wink:

The MR Explorer is a perennial fav of polers yet it doesn't do inspired CS. It seems to have a bit too much of an abrupt turn at the bilge and heeled over that turn functions as kind of a keel.


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