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PostPosted: March 1st, 2010, 9:04 am 
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I'm doing a trip in May, the Machaias in Maine, that's said to be mostly moving water with some II and III.
I was origionaly thinking I'd solo my MR Explorer but the other guys on the trip will be in Vertiges and a Rampage. That's got me considering using my Encore.
Does anybody have any insights or tips on loading a playboat with a weeks worth of kit.
How about paddling IIIs with an extra 50-70 lbs in the boat?
The drops would certaily be more fun in the Encore :clap:


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PostPosted: March 1st, 2010, 9:19 am 
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The Quebecers do it all the time, mind you they're doing shorter trips. The problem being the pedestal......its hard one the knees paddling all day long than doing it the next day. Och!!!Its hurting my knees just thinking about it. :wink:

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PostPosted: March 1st, 2010, 10:26 am 
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I agree with Alan, that a pedestal can be painful, but I also dislike porting a canoe with a pedestal. Yeah, you can likely run more stuff in the playboat, but usually there is a waterfall on most of my trips that I'm not gonna run. Unfortunately, the pedestal interferes with clamp on yokes, and most royalex hulls large enough to carry a full canoe camping kit are too heavy and cumbersome to port over one shoulder on anything but a pretty flat level portage. But, I think paddling reasonably short tripping solos (even reasonably highly rockered is great.

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PostPosted: March 1st, 2010, 2:30 pm 
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I paddle a Vertige as my tripping boat and it has a saddle. I load it up with 2 barrels or baja bags that probably total 90 lbs at the start of a trip. PK is right that portaging is more difficult. For trips with extended portaging I use a clap on yoke. For most portages I just shoulder it, or redneck portage (aka, drag). I tend to choose rivers with minimal portaging.


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PostPosted: March 1st, 2010, 2:35 pm 
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DougB wrote:
...PK is right that portaging is more difficult. For trips with extended portaging I use a clap on yoke. ...


You mean, like this?

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PostPosted: March 1st, 2010, 4:02 pm 
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DougB wrote:
I paddle a Vertige as my tripping boat and it has a saddle. I load it up with 2 barrels or baja bags that probably total 90 lbs at the start of a trip. .


Doug Do you have any pics of the loaded Vertige?
I'm looking for ideas for packing gear.
Thanks!


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PostPosted: March 1st, 2010, 8:41 pm 
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Tommy.

Here is a pic of a Caption setup for solo and rigged out with barrels front and rear for tripping (Song of the Paddle forum). That's maybe a bit longer than your boat, but you could do something similar. I also have a Caption and have used it in a similar manner.

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Also, the barrels front and rear provide extra floatation when they are well secured.

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PostPosted: March 2nd, 2010, 6:05 pm 
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Tommy, nice to see you here again.

I’m not familiar with the Encore.
I do trip with a solo boat although I wouldn’t exactly call it a playboat. Vertige X, 14 feet.
My SO also trips in solo boat, an Impulse, not a playboat either. 12 ½ feet I think.
We have tripped on some good rivers for up to 14 days; have run up to CIII, sometimes even successfully.
Each canoe has a pack and a barrel, still leaving room to move around a bit. I couldn’t take a pedestal for more than a day or two.

Some not very good pictures.

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PostPosted: March 5th, 2010, 9:23 am 
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Thanks Paul, I was thinking about one of your TRs when I asked the question here. Good to see there's others doing this as well.
The Dagger Encore. It's a bit of a slug compared to my Outrage and even my Cascade but it's got more volume than either which I figure is good with the extra load.
http://www.cboats.net/c_db/list.php?typ ... ame=Encore

Thanks to all, especialy those who posted pictures. Dan replied to my identical post on C-Boats with a folder of really sweet shots that Colin took on the Batiscan.
http://www.cboats.net/cforum/viewtopic.php?t=7961742
Don't know where that is but now I want to go there!


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Tommy, very doeable for you
5-6 days on the river, 5ish hours each way on train
portneauf reserve north east of Montreal.

you get the train there and back

check out the threads on the site

widow is june to first of july....after that it gets pretty low

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PostPosted: March 5th, 2010, 12:11 pm 
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Tommy, the Dagger Encore came out shortly after the Impulse. I took my first whitewater class switching back and forth between them. Both would have been considered playboats in the early 1990s. While neither are fast by solo tripping boat standards, both should be faster than any of the boats folks consider playboats today. I doubt that loaded with a weeks worth of gear that either the Impulse nor the Encore would be slower than an Outrage on the flats.

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PostPosted: March 5th, 2010, 6:17 pm 
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Let's be realistic. I paddle kayaks, c-1s, and OC-1s. Even when not loaded with tripping gear, OC-1s are not equal to k-1s and c-1s for what we call playboating. Throw in a few days worth of gear, and all boat types lose a significant degree of their playboat capacity. But the smaller, more agile craft lose more than the OC-1 WW river runners.

So the only issue here is whether canoes like the Encore, Outrage X, etc., can get down the river while still retaining more "play" ability than, say, an Explorer. My experience suggests that the WW OC-1s will still maneuver and play better than larger canoes. But it won't be out-and-out playboating. It will just be aggessive eddy hopping with some front-surfing thrown in. Plus, WW oc-1s, even when loaded, may have the maneuverability to run complex class 2 and some class 3 rapids, where canoes like the Explorer might on occasion need to portage.


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PostPosted: March 7th, 2010, 7:09 am 
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I loaded the Encore up with pretty much everything but the groceries. Tent, tarp, pad, sleeping bag, clothes, stove, filter etc. Roughly 40 lbs including 2 liters of water, a throw rope and a pump.
Took her out on the Quabog, a nice 2-3 run with a good mix of waves holes and technical stuff.
So far so good!
Can't say as I really noticed the load except at the carry around the dam. She surfed as well as ever, spun on demand and caught most of the eddies we went for. If anything the extra weight was a help when the breeze picked up on the slackwater above the dam. Maybe a little wetter at times though that could be operator error as well.
So unless it's a dry dry April I think I'll take the Encore.


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PostPosted: May 28th, 2010, 4:49 pm 
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It was a dry dry April. As It turns out the route we did would have been tough in the Encore at any level.
With 10 miles of slow moving flats between class III drops.
I took my Osprey. My partners paddled Bell Yellowstones.
It was a good trip but I was very happy to be in the Osprey on the flats.
I was mostly happy in the boney, technical III's though it could easily be argued that they weren't even III's at the levels we had.
The TR is in the US Routes section. Machias River.
I'd still like to do a trip or two in the Encore.
Those of you who do, what's the longest flats/lake you've paddled in a whitewater boat with gear and would you do it again?


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Gail R wrote:
Tommy, very doeable for you
5-6 days on the river, 5ish hours each way on train
portneauf reserve north east of Montreal.

you get the train there and back

check out the threads on the site

widow is june to first of july....after that it gets pretty low



Gail,
What river is this?


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